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Type of bind: Paperback
Dewey Decimal Number: 970.3
EAN num: 9780816504015
ISBN number: 0816504016
Label: University of Arizona Press
Manufacturer: University of Arizona Press
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Page Count: 222
Printing Date: November 01, 1972
Publishing house: University of Arizona Press
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'Chief Victorio of the Warm Springs Apache, has recounted the turbulent life of his people between 1876 and 1886. This eyewitness account . . . recalls not only the hunger, pursuit, and strife of those years, but also the thoughts, feelings, and culture of the hunted tribe. Recommended as general reading.' —Library Journal
'This volume contains a great deal of interesting information.' —Journal of the West
'The Apache point of view presented with great clarity.' —Books of the Southwest
'A valuable addition to the southwestern frontier shelf and long will be drawn upon and used.' —Journal of Arizona History
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Dale C. Miles, San Carlos tribal historian
As an Apache I would like to say that I read the review about James Kaywaykla's SELECTIVE ASPECTS on Apache history and culture and was more amused than anything else. Since I've had to deal with non-tribal people for most of my life (I was born on the San Carlos tribal area and have lived in Arizona all my life)I have found that correcting white folks' misconceptions about us Apaches has been nearly a full time job (Example: Do you people pay taxes? I just say: "I wish I didn't have to.") still as an historin I have to be objective and I realize that Apaches in war could be pretty rough. Still, knowing that I still have to deal with prejuidice in nearby towns tells that in the ole' West things were even worse. The point is this, Eve Ball wrote reason for writing the is fine book on Victorio's people was for non-tribal people to see the Apaches as human beings and in this she succeeded very well. An objective reader will see Kaywaykla and his people as such. For instance, you will find that many did not want to live a life of constant warfare and refused to go out with Geronimo in the spring of 1885--they were sent to prison in Florida anyway just because they were Chiricahua and the army couldn't catch the hostile ones. Also in the passage where where his beloved step father is sent to prison one can see the pain, hurt and loss that a child can feel at such an incident. The book shows how important family was (and still is) to the Apaches. In this book Juh (pronounced Whoa), Loco and Geronimo come alive and we see the lengendary Apache woman warrior lozen, is profiled as well. I give this book five stars because as an Apache I understand where the narrantor is coming from; any open minded person would as well. I don't buy the noble blue man myth either. We Apaches were people like any one else and "In the Days of Victorio" reveals this and that is the essence and value of this fine narrative. The book was never meant to be structured, formal history but a telling of history from the Apache point of view. Kawaykla also reveals how he witnessed captives dying violent deaths and its affect on him. As for Cremony, I know his book and enjoyed it very much but his view of Apaches is very biased but still he relates some various truths in it. Also, many historians (including Ed Sweeny who I know)have stated that Cremony had a tendency to draw the 'long bow' a bit in his book. Still, I believe that nearly all books from persons who were observers of that time have some value and historians and discerning people need to know how to combine all sources to get a clear view of the Southwest's history.Even General George Crook (who fought and respected Apaches) once wrote that Apaches were painted in darker colors than they were due to misunderstanding and exaggeration. I do hope that the reviewer will read my upcoming book on Apaches and not think that I'm not too SELECTIVE; after all, as an historian I have to be both objective and truthful. So I can highly recommend both Dan Thrapp's book on Victorio and this one by Eve Ball for all readers who want to understand and know the history of the eastern Chiricahua Apaches and their struggle to maintain there life way. Thank you. Dale C. Miles
First historian of the San Carlos Apache Tribe
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This book is as good a read as any JFK biography that OMITS his multiple infidelities, and other 'bad' behavior. As the title states..."Recollections of a Warm Springs Apache" It is not assumed to be an 'unbiased' biography, therefore if we read this it is because we want to know what Kaywaykla has to say not someone named Cremony. This section is for a general review, not for writing our own novels....short and sweet!
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This book is both good and bad. In some instances its quite good, but in others it is exceptionally bad and here's why. The narrative by the Apache, James Kaywaykla as given to Eve Ball, contains what must be considered as truthful facts concerning locations of camps, social customs, and SELECTIVE ASPECTS of the life the Apaches led while at war. I say "SELECTIVE ASPECTS" because the Apache narrator conveniently omits all details which would place his tribesmen in a negative light in the mind of non-Apache the reader. By this I mean details concerning how the Apaches delighted in torturing captives and how the Apaches would deliberately raid small settlements, mines, travel routes, etc. even while being offered support in terms of food, clothing, and shelter by the United States government, and much much more. This is a highly biased book in this respect. The Indians are portrayed here as simply people who had the misfortune of being besieged by larger, more technologically-advanced forces and Victorio is made into something of a tragic and heroic figure of frontier history.
Yes it is certainly true that you can get good amount of detail connected to tribal ranges, camping spots, war trails, and how many Indians chose to follow any particular leader at any given time during Kaywaykla's early life, but that's all you're going to get. You won't get any detail whatsoever about the relentless, murderous conflict that Apache had with the Comanche. You won't get any detail as to why the Apache were highly aggressive toward ALL other peoples - Whites, Indians, Mestizos, and how this aggression was literally "built-in" to their culture of "perpetual war for perpetual plunder". You won't get any detail concerning the way the Apache butchered, tortured, mutilated, and slaughtered their captives, or how they kept their captives alive in a condition of the most abject misery until these captives were exchanged for Apaches being held by the US Army. You won't get any detail regarding the FACT that toward the end of his career as a leader, Victorio was considered as a mad man by a good many of his own tribesmen, who then left him...thereby shrinking his fighting force and in so doing, making him and his remaining followers easy prey for the Mexican Armed forces which finally exterminated them. No, all this was just not mentioned by Kaywaykla and Ball, and this is precisely what is wrong with this type of book. Without ALL the facts, the reader is left with what can only be described as a sort of fragmented "Sob Story" offered by a member of a defeated fighting force - a story entirely biased and therefore inaccruate in the extreme.
By the way, I see there is a review here offered by an Apache woman who mentions this book is worth reading in order to see "what the Apache had to endure". Well, fair is fair. If this book shows "what the Apache had to endure", it should also explain ALL facts and provide all the details about WHY they had to endure it! Equally, a book like this should thoroughly explain ALL facts and details concerning what other people had to endure at the hands of the Apache and WHY the Apache made them endure it. But, of course, this book does not do that. Instead you get a simplistic and slanted piece of information which tells you that the Apache had their habitat and hunting areas invaded, and because of this the Apache went to war in an endeavor to drive the intruders out, which is entirely FALSE in respect to the greater picture of Apache history and the region as a whole.
The historic facts surrounding the White/Apache struggles mentioned in this book were rooted in a point in time BEFORE Whites from eastern American States began moving westward. This was a time when the majority of Apache tribes existed on the plains of what is now eastern New Mexico and most of Texas - almost as far north as what is now Oklahoma. It was a time when those very large Apache tribal groups preyed upon the more peaceful Indians of the region and upon the Spanish who were trying to establish settlements amd missions. Those large and numerous Apache tribal units were also making sport of the Mexican mestizo peons who worked for the Spanish. However, the Comanche eventually appeared after being driven south by the Blackfoot and Crow of what is now Montana, and these fierce Comanche groups literally destroyed the Apaches while driving them from the southern plains and into the mountains of northern Mexico and what is now western New Mexico and eastern Arizona. When settled in their new habitat, the Apache were far less in number than they had previously been while living on the southern plains thanks to being slaughtered by the Comanches, but this reduction in their numbers had no impact on their aggressiveness, and the Apache immediately began raiding Spanish settlements, Mestizo villages, and peaceful Indians, like the Zuni and others. Their predatory outrages against the ... Read More
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Anyone interested in the Apache and the history of the American Southwest needs to read this book. You will likely consider the events and participants of this controversial period of history in a new light when you hear the "other side of the story" from one who was there. I wouldn't be surprised if you measure all other accounts of the "Apache Wars" period against Mr. Kaywaykla's testimony.
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As an apache woman, this is one book I would highly recommend. Not only does it tell of what The Warm Springs Apache had to endure, but of what they felt and of the internal conflicts amonst the apache people. In this book not only do they focus on Chief Victorio but all that surrounded him.
I recommend all to read this book and see what it was like from the Apache point of veiw.
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